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Announcement: SECOND Podcast Discussion between Michael Anton and Charles Haywood

The people, they demand Michael Anton and The Worthy House! I am again pleased to announce that The Claremont Institute, in the form of The American Mind, a publication of the Institute, has published another Special Edition of its regular podcast. This Special Edition features a second discussion between Michael Anton, author of the crucial books The Stakes and After the Flight 93 Election, and myself. This time, we talk more about applied politics than last time, ranging over a number of current topics, from race relations, to the correct way to perceive and interact with the catamite Right, to the birth dearth, to the printing of fake money. And, quite a bit, of our coming time of troubles.


  1. Eugene says

    I have thoroughly enjoyed the first one, so I am looking forward to listening to this one as well!

  2. Chris says

    Great podcast! Two comments:

    1) I agree with you and Michael about birth rates. Some on the left *do* admit that falling birth rates are bad for civilization. Even the NYT (or Pravda-on-the-Hudson, as a certain professor calls it) sometimes admits this. I can imagine a future propaganda campaign in favor of childrearing. But that’s only part of the story: Whether or not elites have children is one problem; another problem is *how* the elites raise their children, if they do choose to have them. Even if a pro-parenthood campaign happens to be successful, and elites reembrace parenthood, they’ll no doubt impose their neuroticism and nonsense ideology on their children, who will, in turn, rebel by moving even farther to the left, and we’ll merely end up with more aimless pansexuals and turquoise-haired feminists. Between the ubiquitous drug addiction, drunkenness, and hooking up in the lower half of American society, and the ongoing sideshow in the upper half, there are tons of Americans who, if given children to raise, would do a lousy job of it. What happens when the knowledge of how to raise kids well is gone? Who teaches these things?

    2) I went to public school, then to Hillsdale (class of 2018), then spent two years in graduate school at a middle-of-the-road public university (where I studied the art of paperwork), so I’d like to think I know the education landscape reasonably well. Michael’s worries near the end of the podcast are unfounded: The kids who go to Hillsdale understand the ruling-class ideology *very* well—so well, in fact, that a lot of them end up adopting it. Last summer, when everything went to heck, I was shocked to see BLM propaganda, gender ideology, and all-purpose wokeness being peddled in the Hillsdale Facebook world. People who grew up in conservative Catholic circles, went to classical schools, and majored in subjects like English and history were sharing “pyramid of oppression” diagrams and explaining “privilege” to each other. Trump, I think, did a lot to kill the prestige of conservatism among the elite even at a place like Hillsdale, and some of them have reacted by turning woke. (Not that I’m a NeverTrumper: I voted for the guy, I’m sorry to say.) Hillsdale is still crawling with conservatives, but the woke ideology has made inroads.

    Sooner or later, everyone encounters the nonsense. Some will resist, and some will fold in milliseconds. Whether this happens in high school, in college, or in the workplace is not especially relevant. My pet theory is that it has more to do with psychology than education (wokeness targets some people’s moral pleasure centers), so the best a parent can hope for—in the current climate, at least—is to win the stork lottery. There’s no guaranteeing anything. How can a conservative actually *pass on* his worldview to his children? How can he make it stick? That’s the million-dollar question.

    • Charles Haywood says

      Thanks. Yes, but it’s only very recently that the mainstream has started admitting that underpopulation is a problem. I doubt if more children can co-exist with the raising methods you describe; as I discuss in my review of Empty Planet, the reason for low birth rates is the same as that which produces the bad behavior and perversions you mention. Until those are cut off and the wound cauterized, there is zero chance of increasing birth rate.

      I think there are some things a parent can do to increase the chances. But most of all, he must heighten the contradictions, in order to maximize and bring forward the destruction of our current system and its rulers. Why wait? If something is worth doing, it’s worth doing now! That’s why New Year’s resolutions are stupid. No time like the present!

  3. John says

    Hi Charles,

    I found The Worthy House through your last American Mind podcast. I didn’t like this second one quite as much as the first, but I hope you and Michael Anton continue putting them out.

    I also enjoyed the discussion on birthrates, and I’m going to take a look at your review of Empty Planet.

    • Charles Haywood says

      Thanks! Curious, for improvement purposes–what did you like less about this one? Be honest!

  4. Jed says

    Interesting to hear about the mask-wearing where you’re at. In my corner of the midwest, I don’t see many masks outside of the university campus and downtown areas.

    Great work as usual, and please keep making the collaborations with Michael and/or others.

  5. Eugene says


    For what it’s worth, I personally found the second podcast at least as interesting and inspiring as the first one. The COVID and education segments were especially enjoyable, so I am definitely looking forward to similar podcasts in the future.

    As a side note, I’ve also been using DuckDuckGo for a while for my search purposes, not least because that search engine does not track you the way Google does. I have to say, though, that in my experience Google almost always gets me the search results that I need faster and more efficiently than DuckDuckGo – alas!

    Thank you for the podcast!

  6. lhtness says

    A very interesting discussion! I have a three year old, and the question about what to teach him is increasingly on my mind as he understands more and more. Would you be interested in making some recommendations about books for children to learn about…reality? I recall your review of “The Apple and the Arrow”, which I plan to get when he’s older, but more recommendations would be great. (He has an aunt who got him a copy of “Ferdinand the Bull”, and it’s awful.)

    • Charles Haywood says

      It depends on the age. For younger children, who can’t read on their own and are at the picture book stage, most things published prior to 1960 are good, or at least, not bad. (I actually don’t mind Ferdinand, but it’s kind of trite. They made a movie of it a few years back, which someone else showed my children, which was dreadful.) There are plenty of neutral modern books (“Good Night, Good Night, Construction Site”), but you just have to be very careful.

      More or less the same advice for chapter books to read to children. You can’t go wrong with The Chronicles of Narnia, or George MacDonald (though the latter, like all Victorian fiction, is a bit of an acquired taste), or Five Children and It. Howard Pyle; anything in the Everyman’s children’s series of classic books. There are probably many of which I’m unaware, but in general, again, anything prior to 1960 is probably good to excellent.

      For children to can read on their own, the same chapter books, of course. But I have bought the entire Landmark series of 1950s and 1960s children’s history books, and the “We Were There” series of historical fiction. Also all the Tom Swifts, Hardy Boys, and so on (not the remakes–the originals, of course). My smaller children have grown up on those, and “Little House on the Prairie,” and so forth. Any modern chapter book is highly suspect. Either it’s trite, or far more likely, propaganda. This is true of essentially 100% of books written in the past thirty years directed to girls, and the vast majority of young adult fiction (directed to pretend girls are like men and to feminize boys), and probably very close to 100% of any book written for children in the past ten years. For example, if you read the Scholastic catalog, distributed in nearly every school, it will appall you.

  7. Tuckle Carlton says

    There is inevitable weakness within the universal metaphysics of the West. The absolute claims appear to lend authority, but this is not necessarily so. The absolute is categorically entropic when it comes to the integrity of lesser division. That is how it is instrumentalized against the Right. And this is actually the attack the “West coast” Straussian inaugurates most vigorously on various targets within the Right. This is their “political” bent, unseen as tactical since it appears nothing more than restatement of “our traditions”, ie our metaphysical foundation.

    There are various cliques of people using the term “post-liberal”, each with their own application. Some use it within a chronological or historical perspective and to mean choice of ideology, and argue we chose wrong. Their target is the Enlightenment, as origin of notions of equality. This is insufficient and will go nowhere. It’s not the part that is essential – the units to be “equal” or the “idea” of such relation, e.g. “equality”. It is instead the universal at play which creates the *grounds* over which such relation is even possible and, if this dynamic is not understood, even inevitable. This is what’s been done to the Right, and why a cohort with backgrounds such as you describe for your classmates easily express the sentiment you saw.

    • Tuckle Carlton says

      My mistake – I meant to hang this comment off Chris’s above.

  8. The Bean Counter says

    Hi Charles,

    You mentioned using the DuckDuckGo search engine instead of Google because Google’s results are more and more skewed by their leftwing politics. I highly recommend using the Brave web browser and the Brave search engine. Unlike DuckDuckGo, which I believe uses Bing’s search index, Brave has its own independent search index. Peter Thiel has invested in the company and Brendan Eich is the CEO. It is growing its user base quickly and I think it will become more of a force in the future as more people migrate away from Google.

    • Charles Haywood says

      I have used the Brave browser for some time. I’ll give the search a try!

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